Tuesday, March 24, 2009

An easy way to remember Rahu Kalam

An easy way to remember Rahu Kalam

Some one asked me a while back how easily to remember Rahu Kalam. I was suggesting that is just a simple calendar item to remember but we need to ensure the fact that the time specified is valid only for the days when the sun rise is at 6 AM. He actually persisted on his doubt that whether always a calendar lookup is necessary.

I just thought there should be some easy way to make one remember the timings of Rahu Kalam for different days. A quick Internet Search got me the following simple statement:

"Mother Saw Father Wearing The Turban Slowly".

Mother = Monday = 7:30 - 9:00
Saw = Saturday = 9:00 - 10:30
Father = Friday = 10:30 - 12:00
Wearing = Wednesday = 12:00 - 13:30
The = Thursday = 13:30 - 15:00
Turban = Tuesday = 15:00 - 16:30
Slowly = Sunday = 16:30 - 18:00

Source Courtesy: Wikipedia.

I hope that this would be very useful for everone to remember the Rahukalam periods that occur everyday. There is a common belief that Rahakalam and Yamakandam are inauspicious and Gulikaikalam is auspicious but the Wiki article states otherwise. Perhaps if some reader could clarify the same, it would be beneficial to everyone.

Thursday Trash and Friday Fresh Todolist

Thursday Trash and Friday Fresh Todolist

I just discussed about "Thursday Temple Trip Reinstated". Towards this, there is another interesting coincidence. It has been my policy always to see that during the new (fiscal) year to see that any past backlogs are cleared and a streamlined set of objectives are defined for the next forward looking fresh period.

Towards this, I took a little while to clear off the task statuses in my Todolist. The catch is that even if the task is update, if the todolist shows the old data, it might contribute to confusion and ambiguity. Both needs to go in a good harmony. So this Thursday also contributed to clearing off the old list and paving the way for the fresh Todolist. And when I say fresh Todolist, the software also seemed to have got updated with more features. Check out and download the software for yourself.

Worst case afternoon siesta

Worst case afternoon siesta

A few days back I had an opportunity to visit an Internet Cafe around Saidapet around 2 PM in the afternoon. It was a comfortable cozy airconditioned block having a good ambience and a decent connectivity to the Internet backbone. A few minutes later, another guy checked in and took another system just opposite to me.

No sooner did he start opening his browser windows than he started opening his mouth for a continuous yawning too. Me and another customer over opposite terminal to him were really wondering on the continuous bouts of yawning that he demonstrated. At a point of time, after witnessing continous four yawns, I passively started to count it. In a simple sample of 75 seconds (just over a minute), he performed a record of 25 yawns.

I was really surprised on his Yawns Per Minute (ypm) record and perhaps I think this should be a worst case afternoon siesta that anyone could demonstrate. Even now, when I share this anyone, the entire area breaks into laughter as if flood gates of river humor are thrown open.

Thursday Temple Trip Reinstated

Thursday Temple Trip Reinstated

As I just mentioned in my other travelog and as a gentle response to the interim reschedule ("Why did I change my Weekly Triplicane Temple Schedule to Saturday?"), I just thought of sharing that the earlier trip schedules have been restored back. Interestingly, towards the close of old fiscal year (2008-09) and beginning of new fiscal year (2009-10), my Todolist ran through a lot of significant improvements in clearing the old backlogs and this one long pending issue got sorted out.

As I have pointed out in my previous discussion, one of the factor that brought the interim reschedule was malicious efforts of a non-Hindu guy and the reformation was chipped in back through a very good slogan of 'Jesus Calls Prayer Tower'. Whilst casually going through R.A. Puram Greenways road, I had a glimpse of seeing their board and the slogan of them 'Prayer brings victory'. It is succinctly evident that we should not be carried away by mundane distractive seductions rather ensure that our mind is focussed towards the noble objective of serving the Lord alone.

I thank the Lord for guiding me from the big cloud of confusion and dispelling the doubts and eclipses. Interestingly, when I travelled further that day, I found one more innovative church near CLRI, Adyar. They had a small digital clock put up near thier name board. The colon delimiter (:) between hours and minutes was really innovative. Instead of the usual colon delimiter, they had a blinking holy cross; again as a gesture and a reminder to us that we should always keep thinking of Lord's name alone.

It is not the religion that separates us. Whatever be the religion, if it is a good thought, let us try to absorb the same and get it into our religious practices too. All roads lead to Rome and similarly all religions just preach the best way to reach to the Lord and get His divine blessings to lead a noble life.

Interestingly, when I wanted to have this weekly temple trip started around ten years back, it was an inspiration from Christianity where Christians are regular to their Sunday Church visits. The most closest day similar to Sunday for them is Thursday and Saturday for us.

Thursday, March 19, 2009

Opinion Poll on Go-Ergo (March 19, 2009) :: What filmy gyan would you give to cool your short-tempered friend?

Opinion Poll on Go-Ergo (March 19, 2009) :: What filmy gyan would you give to cool your short-tempered friend?

Today (March 19, 2009), there was an interesting reader's opinion poll in My-Ergo section of Go-Ergo.


The topic was the following:

"What filmy gyan would you give to cool your short-tempered friend?"

In fact, I also sent my views like the following:

"Adhigama aasai padra aambalayum adhigama kova padara pombalayum nalla vazhndadha sarithramae illa Deepak Vasudevan (Verizon), Ahalya, Rajasekar (TCS), Sivakumar (Allsec), Senthil (Wipro) ".

You can find the column screenshot listed below:

You can also check out the embedded iPaper (Archive of Go-Ergo) from Scribd below:

Tuesday, March 17, 2009

The Trip to Tirupathi is like Trip to US

The Trip to Tirupathi is like Trip to US

If you prefer a quick pre-scheduled trip to Tirupathi now, you can make use of eDarshan scheme arranged by TT Devasthanams from your region. The procedure is quite simple:

  1. Everyone (who is going to visit Tirupathi) have to personally visit the TT Devasthanam regional center.
  2. A token entry fee of INR 50 needs to be paid in the eDarshan counter.
  3. A fingerprint and a quick image of the user is recorded.
  4. A desired date and time of visit to Tirumala is printed on the reciept.

The pilgrim needs to reach Vaikuntam Q complex at the pre-printed date and time for the darshan. I just thought the counter that gives the reciept and slot is quite similar to US Embassy Visa counters taking fingerprint and image of the visa applicant. :)

Saturday, March 14, 2009

Exploiting Merciness ...

Exploiting Merciness ...

I have this observation for a few days at least amongst different sectors of people in Chennai and just thought I would provide a synopsis on the same and share with others to get to know about others' observations too.

I frankly feel that a honest kindness, no-looking-back-or-undemanding help or no-strings-attached charity had been kind of extinct species in Chennai. I have two incidents here:

  1. Whilst casually discussing about the challenges faced by the downtrodden people in our society because of reservations and bad administration of the government, one prankster in the group immediately was trying to take advantage of the situation, to everyone's disgust and was trying to preach about Christianity. I really wonder, why Christians in Chennai are so much behind conversion to their religion. Given even a little chance, these guys barge into it and try to make the most out of the situation. I really wonder, what is happening to the Anti-Conversion laws in the state?
  2. The other day in my apartment they called an animal welfare volunteer. After much ado, the volunteer brought the ambulance. But he was reluctant even to search for the puppy which had ran some where in the proximity. But at the end of session, his colleague seemed to have asked one of our apartment members "This guy is a good guy. Can you tip him something?". I think illegal gratification for even fulfilling one's normal duties is becoming a regular scene in our country. Can something be done to correct this?

Friday, March 13, 2009

Juvenile Mobile (Mis) Use

Juvenile Mobile (Mis) Use

The greatest advantage of technology these days are the vast penetration of communication tools and elements to all parts of the world from biggest towns to even remote villages. And by far, at least, with respect to the developing nations, cellular phone seems to be a good succinct and tangible example for this technological development.

At the same time, I used to wonder whether this technological advent and miracle is being used correctly. The other day when I was commuting back to home from work, I had a chance to wait in the bus at Vijayanagar bus stand and watching some amusing incidents.

  1. I have been seeing one girl constantly on her cell phone right from Ambal Nagar through Vijayanagar. At Vijayanagar, even whilst alighting from the bus and negotiating the road cross, she was holding the cell phone and flirting out with little higher acoustics itself. Crossing the road, at least in traffic-sensitive Vijayanagar needs more careful attention. She has thrown safety to air and given precedence to a mundane attraction taking wilfully bad advantage of a technological gadget. I used to wonder how much they end up paying up every month for their mobile phone bills. In one of my previous organizations, my colleague (Mariappan Natarajan) used to tell when we started from workplace and going to bus stand in the evening that these girls should not be completely trusted as they are in a call. At least in a close proximity, they would present an illusion as if they are in a call.
  2. The second sight is mobile phones at schools and colleges. I really wonder what is the exact need of a mobile phone for a college student. Can he/she restrict with a normal telephone number provided by the college to communicate back to parents alone? A mobile phone unleashes and removes controlled communication lines and now they can go haywire too.

Would parents think of all the possible situations before giving a mobile phone to their college kids?

Thursday, March 12, 2009

"Early Stopping Detector Syndrome"

"Early Stopping Detector Syndrome"

We discussed sometime about a situation where sometimes the superior takes an unwarranted advantage and makes his subordinate very timid. About two days back, when I was travelling in the bus, two girls were sitting in the seat adjacent to me (across the aisle). One girl got up from the seat and went near the conductor (exit way) but two bus stops crossed but she didn't alight from the bus. The conductor was a friendly guy in that route. He asked her why did you you get up from the bus so early? She was telling that she had some confusion at workplace and because of that a little hallucinatory image struck well even before the stopping reached and hence she got up.

I just thought of sharing this incident with others. The simple moral rule is 'Remember IIS 6 way of operation. Run each process in its own process space. Your personal and professional chores should run in its own separate process space so that they do not interfere with each other normal performance or jeopardize the objectives of anything'. Your maligned superior or wilfully disobedient peer is just going to forget anything about you after you leave that atmosphere. It is the victim constantly churning the same incident repeatedly challenging one's own mental tranquility'.

Since the inspiration of this topic was a early bus stop detection effect because of rapid adrenalin effect, I just thought that would remain as a more befitting caption to help people to recover from such bad social elements.

Tuesday, March 10, 2009

Happy Holi!

Happy Holi!

Let us greet each other Happy Holi. Holi is a very colorful festival in India, particularly in North India. We would pray the Almighty on the occasion of Holi towards the following

  1. Global Peace and Harmony amongst everyone in the World
  2. True devotion from heart towards the Almighty.

"Why did I change my Weekly Triplicane Temple Schedule to Saturday?"

"Why did I change my Weekly Triplicane Temple Schedule to Saturday?"

I have been recieving a spurt of comments and emails with soft protest of changing my Weekly Triplicane Pilgrimage to Saturday from the usual Thursday. One of them had even contested that there was an earlier incident and I should have thought about it before advocating this change.

I admit of this change but it was not in a hurry. It is an interim change for a variety of reasons which I would like to share it off here:

  1. The time taken to/fro the temple has currently doubled because of crazy traffic situations in Chennai, which might be partially because of horrendous mismanagement of traffic by CCTP (Chennai City Traffic Police), nonchalant attitude of Government to the evergrowing traffic and also callousness of private vehicle users across the city.
  2. An undue bad-eye effect and 'story-fabrication-efforts' of a non-Hindu guy in close proximity. I had to take this step to offset and to 'contain' his ill-doings. The typical non-Hindu guy seems to be striking again after a brief spell now. I appreciate his gesture of mimicing Mohammed of Ghazni (who, according to ancient History of India, attacked India 17 times).

This Saturday schedule is currently reflecting in my Yahoo Calendar that way, but very shortly it would be moved to another date, most comfortable to everyone. Stay Tuned!

Thursday, March 05, 2009

There are a lot of things to learn from a dog ...

There are a lot of things to learn from a dog ...

A little dog is a great tutor to us in more than one way. At least for me, my Word 2003 Office Assistant ("Rocky") is a great helper to correct our language, grammar besides helping us in arithmetic (Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Access).

Thanks to Mohan Chandran for sharing a nice email on what all things we would need to learn from a dog. I would like to summarize them here:

  1. When loved ones come to meet, always greet them with a pleasant smile. For that matter, it never harms to greet anyone with a gesture ranging from a simple friendly smile to a formal handshake.
  2. Never pass up the opportunity to go for a joyride.
  3. Allow the experience of fresh air and the wind in your face to be pure ecstasy.
  4. Take naps.
  5. Stretch before rising.
  6. Run, romp, and play daily.
  7. Thrive on attention and let people touch you.
  8. On hot days, drink lots of water and lie under a shady tree.
  9. When you're happy, dance around and wag your entire body.
  10. No matter how often you're scolded, don't buy into the guilt thing and pout…run right back and make friends.
  11. Delight in the simple joy of a long walk.
  12. Eat with gusto and enthusiasm. Stop when you have had enough.
  13. Be loyal. Never pretend to be something you're not.
  14. If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it. ("Awake, arise, stop not until you have reached your goal.")
  15. When someone is having a bad day, be silent, sit close by and nuzzle them gently.

In India at least in Chennai, I have heard a lot of people using the Tamil word for dog ("நாய்") as an expletive to scold and harass others. This is basically because people from this region regard this poor little animal at a very low level without realising the gentleness, smartness and lovely cuteness of him. Now, since we have discussed a good deal of things about what we should learn from dog, let us try and spread the message of not using misusing dog's name to scold.

A Slow Computer and a Handicapped System is a boon in disguise

A Slow Computer and a Handicapped System is a boon in disguise

We have been hearing out laments and cribbing along different times from different people particularly when the (computer) desktop/laptop they are on is rather slow or unresponsive. They also get enraged and intimidated particularly when some of the devices malfunction (say) for example, some of the keys in the keyboard are suffering from acute wear and tear due to ageing.

I just thought of sharing out a hidden truth which I realised from an exposure to both the categories of systems in close proximities. Here are them:

We always envision computer systems as lightening fast entities to complete the job impeccably. With this vision having deep-rooted in our mind, the other truths have suffered going through a period of eclipse. They are:

  1. Slow and steady wins the race
  2. Garbage In and Garbage Out (GIGO)

When there is a rash driving without paying attention to details, it often means the driver is racing towards Hell. We all know about the steady progress of tortoise against the rash runner (hare). At the end of the moral story, the tortoise emerged as a glorious winner and hare failed miserably. The same applies here too. Along with speed, what we require is diligent speed and impeccable attention to the goal on hand. The computer systems have also been following the concept of GIGO, wherein if you feed garbage, the output is also garbage. Perhaps as a good samaritan gesture of correcting us and emphasizing us to ensure that we follow the two golden rules above, the computer systems morph as candles sacrificing themselves (''melting themselves") and trying to convey the above noble message. Without any preconcieve notions and prejudices like 'computer is a stupid box or idiot box' or whatever, we should learn from them on being systematic in our tasks and deliverables, having attention and focus to the ultimate goal or objective on hand.

At the same time, whilst compiling the above thought one friend of mine interrupted me with another golden thought -- "How are you going to take into account or justify fallacies like abnormal program terminations, reckless system reboots like BSODs or broken Internet Connections". It is simple. These are the result of reckless driving by the makers of those software and connection operator. They have been hastening in their deliverables without caring for the quality. We can do our best in persistently reporting the issues to them, with the intent that they would try to realise their folly and incorporate suitable remedial measures in their future.

BTW, why did I underline 'persistently'? Connection Operators like Airtel in India are only targetted towards adding and swelling their customer base, increasing their pocket size without caring for quality. They might not listen to suggestions rather their ears are deaf because of greed. Towards this reason, you may need to patiently give them time and treatment through diversified quarters like the following:

  1. Direct feedback
  2. Consumer Forums
  3. Administrative Whip like DoT and TRAI

It is said that time heals the wounds slowly and steadily. We hope that time would cure these maladies too.

Sunday, March 01, 2009

Advanced Happy Ninth Birthday to SitaGita

Advanced Happy Ninth Birthday to SitaGita

It is 2009 and it is her ninth birthday. Our Chellam affectionately celebrates her ninth birthday on 8th March 2009 [International Women's Day]. It was on 8th March 2000, she was born (launched) at Apcom computers. I have a unique pride of being one of the development team of Sitagita at 3rdAgenda.

Let us wish her Many Many Happy Returns of the Day. For those interested, also check out our 8th Birthday Post here.

Each time, I just post the birthday greeting right near the birthday however for others I send out advanced wishes. This time, it is for my Chellam and she got her birthday post well ahead (almost a week ahead).

Jaya Jaya Shankara! Hara Hara Shankara!

Jaya Jaya Shankara! Hara Hara Shankara!

I just thought of sharing this about the unique feeling of bliss during my trip to Sabarimala this time. I just observed in my return journey a station called 'Kalady' (Angamaly) little near to Kottayam/Ernakulam. I asked a few about whether this is same as 'Kalady' of Adi Shankara. People replied yes. It was a sense of great bliss to at least travel through the station and to get the blessing of Shankaracharya.

You can check more about Kaladi from the Kerala Tourism page over here.

Glad to welcome 'Sathyanarayanan' into Blogosphere ...

Glad to welcome 'Sathyanarayanan' into Blogosphere ...

After so many years of hesitation, Satya seems to have started to share his messages and tone through his personal blog. You can visit Satyanarayan's personal weblog over here. I just recalled about his weblog, while sharing an other view of his text message over here.

Again, as anyone laments, when I asked Sathya to share his views through his blog rather than as text messages, the (standard) response that he gave me were the following; which I just thought I would share it out here since they are more common to with any one and everyone should make a humble endeavor to conquer them to continue their journey to success:

  1. No Time: There is no such thing called 'No Time'. We have 24 hours in a day. When we say no time, it simply means the time has not been used properly. I would suggest you grab a copy of Todolist, to put each and every activity and track it properly.
  2. Can't remember to write: I get a topic but by the time I get online, I forget it. There are easy ways to overcome this. Some simple steps are:
    1. Jot down the hints in your pocket note book or your mobile phone as a draft text message.
    2. Use a notebook service like any of them below:
      1. Zoho Notebook
      2. Yahoo Notepad
    3. This way, you would not be forced to write the post immediately and your notebook would serve as the topics that you are intending to write and remind you periodically.

I hope these tips would be useful to everyone to plan their schedules impeccably. If you have a suggestion, please share it as a comment to this post.

Fast Forward February

Fast Forward February

February is always a shortest month. People always say that we need be very careful in managing time in February as it is very short month and it will fly away very fast. I had a good number of important tasks and activities including those involving slower governmental bureocratic processes but thanks to Todolist, all these have got cleared off.

With the mind getting lighter, it is time to march ahead majestically for more laurels to conquer!

The Six Interesting Points to note in IT/ITES industry

The Six Interesting Points to note in IT/ITES industry

If you are in a IT or ITES industry and not capable of involving in dirty workplace politics and are honest, hard-working, then the following are the six promises/assurances that you would need to/forced to adhere to, at least in the current day trend:

  1. To develop a hatred for rest and relaxation
  2. To nurture an abysmal love and affection for tension
  3. To cultivate a passion to stick to work on regional holidays and weekends
  4. To self-satisfy and console yourself that you have blissfully exhausted all enjoyment of your life in childhood.
  5. To stop allocating time for your friends and families
  6. To energetically revenge on one's own self.

However, there is a good way to deal with the situation below. Schedule your activities properly. There are plenty of free time management aids available now. A few good ones are listed below:

  1. Todolist
  2. Internet Calendars
    1. Windows Live Calendar
    2. Yahoo Calendar
    3. Zoho Calendar
    4. Google Calendar

/* Source Courtesy: Thanks to Satyanarayanan for sharing this as his daily bite of humor SMS */

Torching Summer and Let us lend a helping hand for those challenged ...

Torching Summer and Let us lend a helping hand for those challenged ...

It is just March 1st. Even one week before, I observed that walking in the road at 10 AM seemed to be painful and torching hot waves of Sun are burning everyone alive dead. In these cases, we should depict a sense of humanitarian gesture to all living beings in the world. I just thought I would draft out a first cut set of points which struck me as we can start helping everyone. When I say 'everyone', I am treating every living being (flora, fauna and not homo sapiens)

  1. Talk to your regional shop keeper/apartment association and see if you can help out in the following:
    1. Watering the plants in the morning and evening.
    2. Plant some saplings in your street.
    3. If a small puppy or dog or kitten is struggling in the hot sun, call to your house and give it some water and some biscuit to it.
    4. You are welcome to help out people too individually. But do not entertain strangers into the house. They may resort to theft misusing your merciness.
  2. You can also talk to local political parties to get things in (1) at a larger area, if you have voice in your region.
  3. If you see an older (wo)man/handicapped in the bus, please give them seat and make them feel relaxed.
  4. Help out and encourage organizations like Sri Ramakrishna Mutt, who used to give buttermilk everyday in their area to everyone who passes by their road to quench thirst.

Readers: Please share more topics by which you can make the world a more friendly place to live upon. "We can even cool down the fire-ball Sun by a more humanitarian gesture".

The pinch of Global Meltdown ...

The pinch of Global Meltdown ...

The prickly pinch or hard punch of global meltdown does not and has not spared even public sector organizations in India. I just came across a situation when the SMS renewal to Connemara Public Library came back 'Not sent to: <>' message.

On calling, I found out the following reasons. There is now acute shortage and cost-cutting operations. Certain fancy features like SMS-based renewal etc. has been withdrawn.

This is another instruction for us. At least till the end of 2009, we should learn to be more conservative and refrain from being spendthrift. It always pays and help to save and particularly in challenged days like these.

Bad Bad Chennai Attitude -- Make it Slow; Tense Them and Loot Them

Bad Bad Chennai Attitude -- Make it Slow; Tense Them and Loot Them

I wanted to share this tri-faceted sinister attitude observed with many people in Chennai (individuals and organizations too) and I really like to shun those base groups. The attitude of observation is as follows:

  1. Making the process of reaching our objective (goal) slower either by discouraging us. If they have power and potential, then they unwarrantedly procrastinate.
  2. As the deliverable gets delayed, naturally a state of tension or anxiety grips on us to explore other options as contingency plans.
  3. They make the most of the situation and loot us in every (other) possibility.

Some examples of this attitude are:

  1. Airtel and other private ISPs promise good Internet Connection. But after sometimes, even loading of Google Homepage becomes slow. Since we become so dependant on it, they would try selling a higher bandwidth package.
  2. Small organizations have base middle managers who deny-delay career prospects to good people and when the latter suspects a foul play, they resort to all sorts of gimmicks in exploiting them.

(Missed) Call Menace in Mobile Phone

(Missed) Call Menace in Mobile Phone

I have been intending to share this experience for sometime still and just got the opportunity. Not sure how does it exactly match when the phone only rings at occasions when it is not required. Interesting incidents sparking me to write this are ("The phone rings for a voice call or to indicate a reciept of a text message")

  1. You are busy in the bank teller counter counting currency notes (to be remitted or being recieved).
  2. You are in the temple seeking the blessings of the Lord and in total silence to make you embarrassed and to make you look like a rude jackass to others, the phone rings.
  3. You are busy in updating your tasklist and the phone rings

Now there is an easy solution. Keep away from the phone during those busy instances. Most telephone operators have equipped the subscriptions with services like Missed Call Alerts. I would also like to draw your attention to our previous discussions related to this here:

  1. Mobile Phone -- When and When not to use... [Part II]
  2. Mobile Phone -- When and When not to use... [Part II]

Cell Phone Lock to save some battery ...

Cell Phone Lock to save some battery ...

This was part of a learning in my Mobile Revival campaign. One cell phone dealer actually told that though less savings is there, it is always better when the phone has been used, to lock it manually and then press the hangup key. I also read this subsequently in another article.

This way, the energy expended by it till the manual timer elapsed to lock the phone and shut the display can be saved. It is a little saving, I admit but drops make the ocean anyway.

"To rope or not to rope"

"To rope or not to rope"

One of the lesser known activities en route my Saturday Triplicane Trip (2/21) was to replace the worn out mobile cover. Now, I was thinking whether I should purchase a mobile neck rope also since having it in the bag or inner pocket was seeming to be a better alternative. I chose the latter at least now as an interim measure.

The advantage of mobile neck rope are as follows:

  1. Better control over your mobile since no one can pluck it out without your knowledge
  2. Whilst your seated near the window in the bus, the risk of mobile falling out of window, particularly in Chennai where the journey is really turbulent and resembles roller coaster rides is less.

The disadvantage of mobile neck rope are as follows:
  1. Less flexibility and compatibility to existing mobile covers. You would need to carefully chose one and make holes in the cover carefully.
  2. These days where building organizers and event managers take privilege and pride in giving so many ID cards on the pretext of 'Security and Curiosity', the number of ropes around the neck would be making you look rather funny like wired robots. I wonder, how are married woman managing through the same!